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oscarmk · Mar 05, 2010, 03:43 PM // 15:43

The suggestion of having a client side monitor of all the activities, is exactly what Blizzard did, and yes it does work.

Although Blizzard very rarely actually bans the people on the lists, the point is that the lists exist and they are very very reliable and they can basically ban those people whenever they feel like it. A modification to the EULA is required first of course.

Elephantaliste · Mar 05, 2010, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Sadly, cheaters are just feeding needs of editors to have reliable solutions that are mostly invasive solutions to monitor end-user actions, cf hardware locked/trusted computers...

Silverblad3 · Mar 05, 2010, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Septeric

it seems that there is a massive botting problem in PvP as well as the PvE botting i am well aware of personally. (which i do not bot or PvP.. not my thing).. and it appears in the thursday update an injector detector was placed into the code...

and funny as it was... the forums were full of 'my account(s) was just banned'... then alot of talk about what they are going to do next... different story..

so.. here comes the speculation...

anet killed all the solo farming so they can catch as many of the botters and try to restore some balance in the core of the gameplay... PvE and PvP..

Anyone confirm this?

Silver

Bob Slydell · Mar 05, 2010, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Silverblad3

Anyone confirm this?

Silver

Who the hell knows, were left in the dark with a lot of things done behind the arena net keyboards.

Septeric · Mar 06, 2010, 02:22 AM // 02:22

ok.. most likely will regret being this open butt...

still hunting for some kind of verification as to the injector detection code...

i decided i would see for myself.. and the result are promising.. so to speak.

got the latest bots that use injection method... all was d/c'ed after 3-5 minutes.. though i only did it a couple of times to check for consistency... and dare not use a bot long enough to get perma-banned...

again.. i don not bot nor do i PvP.. but personally.. i think anet is raging a sneak attack on the botters... and the curiosity was worth checking into.. for me anyway.

edit:
d/c code=007 if anyone was interested and my wife was on the same connection playing with no issues the entire time.

El Perma Shadow · Mar 07, 2010, 06:55 AM // 06:55

The way I look at it is, the only people who are botting are the ones trying to farm gold. Most people in HA that play as an interrupt have been doing so for awhile. However injection code can be mutated to look like normal play IF you encrypt your packets and a whole lot other stuff. Even though there are some people who can code a bot to take over the mouse and keyboard which will make it look like a normal player.

firstfire · Mar 08, 2010, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Since when was GW Pvp taken this seriously

Tramp · Mar 09, 2010, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by firstfire

Since when was GW Pvp taken this seriously

Since there became big money in it with zkeys and selling titles. Always follow the money. You can HA for balth faction for zkeys, you can gvg for gold capes. However, my guess is the big botters are also selling fame for ectos and also champ points for pve players who want the titles. Huge money in that like you would not imagine. It makes powertrading look weak.

The scary part is that yes, mainly pvp problem, but any guess as to when it becomes a pve problem too? botwars2... coming soon.

The-Bigz · Mar 09, 2010, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by firstfire

Since when was GW Pvp taken this seriously

You see what had happened was...

1. Stale Meta dead game occured here, causing all the PvE players to max shit.
2. Now when #1 happens on any game, the PvE players want to go join PvP.
3. Now see when #2 happens, you run into the hamstorm warriors and meteor first, then savanah heat ele's, or even the occasional 1996 Channeling Monk.
4. Due to #3 happening, PvP has a large influx of extreme shit players and practically useless people boning the game for the people who do PvP.
5. After #4 occurs, the real PvPers in the game get so fed up with having retards for allies/teammates, that they ragequit the game.
6. Now that #5 happens, this leaves all the really shitty PvE players with big brains and e-peens and logical thinking, but lack of an ability to compete and/or have any skill in PvP, to fight amongst each other.
7. Now PvE players with big brains are really pissed off that their mending wammo and hamstorm warrior isn't kicking someone ass, so they create a bot/macro, much like how they got all their titles from PvE if they didn't spend thouands of hours behind the keyboard wasting their life. Some of you did, not calling you out here.
8. So now you have a giant cess pool of really shitty players with macro's and bots playing against each other, which creates a problem for idiots who post this thread when they use a 2 second cast.
EDIT:
9. Now when a player who is good at PvP, and the game in general gets ahold of one of these bots, all hell breaks lose. Someone that knows how to play the game, has a working brain, AND has packet detectors that make little macros ring and pieces of coding curl up into balls, eventually leading to the doom that all your 3/4th cast spells belong to them.
10. If number 8 is false; then number 9 takes effect.

This is how PvP became a big deal in GW, and what it has lead to. A small history lesson to those of you wondering.

Silverblad3 · Mar 10, 2010, 01:33 PM // 13:33

[QUOTE=The-Bigz;5078392]You see what had happened was...

8. So now you have a giant cess pool of really shitty players with macro's and bots playing against each other, which creates a problem for idiots who post this thread when they use a 2 second cast.
[QUOTE]

You almost had a good argument until point 8, no one mentioned getting interrupted on 2 second casts, except you...

Most folks can interrupt 2 secs casts, the problem is the 3/4 casts and frequency, even on half casts.

Anyway, noticed that interrupt bots are still in full swing, was playing the other day and was getting interrupted at the same point on 1 second skills. The other team had two mesmers in a balanced team...go figure...

Silver

makosi · Mar 10, 2010, 01:49 PM // 13:49

There are no staff members to deal with such grievances therefore /reports are not examined. They're just empty threats designed to discourage.

Until someobdy is employed to look for and deal with bots, they will run rampant. There's the problem.

The-Bigz · Mar 10, 2010, 02:46 PM // 14:46

[QUOTE=Silverblad3;5079854][QUOTE=The-Bigz;5078392]You see what had happened was...

8. So now you have a giant cess pool of really shitty players with macro's and bots playing against each other, which creates a problem for idiots who post this thread when they use a 2 second cast.

Quote:

You almost had a good argument until point 8, no one mentioned getting interrupted on 2 second casts, except you...

Most folks can interrupt 2 secs casts, the problem is the 3/4 casts and frequency, even on half casts.

Anyway, noticed that interrupt bots are still in full swing, was playing the other day and was getting interrupted at the same point on 1 second skills. The other team had two mesmers in a balanced team...go figure...

Silver

If OP is not a retard - Thats you. Then it wasn't a 2 second cast that keeps getting rupted.

10. If 8 is false; then move to number 9. Read the full post.

Silverblad3 · Mar 10, 2010, 02:59 PM // 14:59

[QUOTE=The-Bigz;5079899][QUOTE=Silverblad3;5079854]

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Bigz

You see what had happened was...

8. So now you have a giant cess pool of really shitty players with macro's and bots playing against each other, which creates a problem for idiots who post this thread when they use a 2 second cast.

If OP is not a retard - Thats you. Then it wasn't a 2 second cast that keeps getting rupted.

10. If 8 is false; then move to number 9. Read the full post.

I read the full post but it seems that you have not HA'd much lately, there are some 2 second casts that you want to interrupt, are important to rupt (SoC, HP, Martyr etc) and the bot tool allows that. Will you detect it? Hardly. They are easy to interrupt but will let the user focus on also getting other key skills, hence it may not look like or seem like a bot, calling folks just retards for no 'real' reason or lack of understanding on 2 sec skills is actually quite funny, welcome to HA.....

Silver

coil · Mar 10, 2010, 03:04 PM // 15:04

wait your premise is that bad pve players are the cause of not only an exodus of brilliant pvp players but also the rise in prevalence of bots?

Killed u man · Mar 10, 2010, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Ok, looks like people are still about as ignorant as they were 3-4 years ago.

To get some things straight here:

1) These bots can effectivly interrupt 1/4 second casts given your ping is below 250 - Cast time if your interrupt. It takes the bot about 1ms (Depending on your CPU speed) to react to someone using a skill, so this can be completely neglected.

So if you run a mesmer with a decent amount of FC (9), you will be able to interrupt 1/4 spells with 100% succesrate if your ping is below: 250 (Their Cast) - 5 (Time it takes for the bot to interrupt, for the sake of arguement we made it a bot slower) - 160 (Cast time of 1/4's at 9 FC) = 85 Ms.

So with a ping below 85 (Which isn't uncommon), a bot will guarantee interrupts on pretty much every spell getting cast on the battle field. This is why it is such a dangerous tool, because if the enemy monk is low on energy, and casts only Patient Spirit to avoid pleaks, the bot can still get a pleak on a patient off to guarantee a wipe.

2) PvE'ers don't use bots as much as PvP'ers do. Given, a PvE'er with an interrupt bot now has the potential to play in top 5 GvG's (I would even say win monthlies if he plays in a decent guild as mesmer), but that's not the problem.

The problem is that the bots can interrupt for you, while you can do everything else. This makes these bots not only a "good" tool for a PvE'er who has no clue how PvP works, but also for seasoned PvP'ers who understand the potential of this. You can essentially run Mo/Me's with distortion (Similar to block stances), but also with Pdrain to guarantee insane energy management resulting in pretty much never wiping.

You can stick it on a otherwise midliner (Paragon, ranger) and GUARANTEE every shame and diversion getting interrupted. Resulting in your Monks not having to waste any energy on faking (aside from dshots) or watching the enemy mesmer.

Point being: the options are limitness. And the "interrupting every spell you want" stretches alot further than shutting down enemy Monks. Having 1 bot on your team guarantees your Monks will have a walk in the park, OR your frontline will be able to kill in under 2 minutes. (If every pleak/pblock, teams wipe in under a minute)

3) This is a big deal. In PvE, noone really gives a shit if bots are farming bergen springs 24/7, because there is no direct victim. They only push prizes down a bit, but in the overal economy this is almost neglable. In PvP, one player using a bot means another player facing a bot. A player will NEVER beat a bot, despite some people claiming "bots have weaknesses and a good player will abuse those". There is no weakness about a bot controlling your interrupts, whereas you do everything else. (You can even stick it on a warrior to reflex 3/4's with dchop, whilst you do the hacking up)

ChocoboLIVE · Mar 10, 2010, 05:19 PM // 17:19

^It's take a high advancement to take advance of bots. Walking to yours opponent is one thing. Making a decisive decision is what bot. Easy to wipe them but required top player and a top knowledge. Atm, so far I am able to call the owner of the bot user. Needed to say they spam noob, you sucks. Wiping them is ofcourse easy. Btw they won't do so if you use a famous name like Shaun or Vodka. Hehehe. Best to be unknows. If you want hinder theirs ways. =/

oscarmk · Mar 10, 2010, 09:06 PM // 21:06

It is rampant in Random Arenas too... yesterday I got interrupted on every single of my skills even 1/2 cast ones.

Silverblad3 · Mar 17, 2010, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by oscarmk

It is rampant in Random Arenas too... yesterday I got interrupted on every single of my skills even 1/2 cast ones.

I experienced this last night in RA too, the mesmer had several rupts on his bar, was rupting my skills and the healers near simultaneously....I guess we can expect to see more of them in RA too.

Silver

isildorbiafra · Mar 17, 2010, 01:32 PM // 13:32

This far along the line by now it should be bot against bot; which sort of evens it out! May the best botter win!

Regulus X · Mar 20, 2010, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Put it like this: I've been permarupted on my fast cast earth mesmer on a 40/40 set in Random Arenas. Ruptbots much? I also see SF ele bots who've been there for ages now. Dedd GW1 iz Dedd.